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I think the Mazda 6 is a sweet, sweet lookin' car. I plan to get one. I read about it awhile ago, but kinda don't remember much about it. How much power does it have? It comes in sedan and coupe form, right? :wacko:
 

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No coupe for the Mazda 6.

There's an inline 4 cylinder, pushing out 150 horses, and a 6 cylinder pushing out 219 horses. The 4 is a new engine developed by Mazda, but the 6 is a Ford engine that has not been reviewed very well.

The three forms of car are a wagon (next year), a 5 door hatchback (next year), and a regular sedan (this year). The sedan will also have a sport option, that adds bigger rims and tires :)
 

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Thanks Shayaan. Damn. Mazda and Ford are always interchanging. What is up with Ford engines? Guess I rather go with the 4 banger and hook that engine up. Lighter then a 6cyl, so I hope the aftermarket segment will make a turbo or sc for the 4cyl. After being boosted it should have the same power of the 6cyl, but on a diet. :)
 

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Originally posted by MilleniaFalcon@Sep 2 2002, 11:34 PM
Thanks Shayaan. Damn. Mazda and Ford are always interchanging. What is up with Ford engines? Guess I rather go with the 4 banger and hook that engine up. Lighter then a 6cyl, so I hope the aftermarket segment will make a turbo or sc for the 4cyl. After being boosted it should have the same power of the 6cyl, but on a diet. :)
Yea, I would be more tempted to go that route myself.

I think my dad might get a 4 cylinder stick 5 door Mazda6 with some goodies (though not all). It will be relatively inexpensive, and should give great gas mileage. Either that, or he's gonna get a Protege.
 

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About the Mazda-Ford interchange - don't quote me, but I heard that the next Focus will (once again, like the Escort before it) be based on the Mazda Protege platform and will also use Mazda engines. Kind of a blow to Ford's engineering department, but a win for fans of great-handling small cars like myself. And the current Ford-designed Focus isn't too shabby in the chassis department, anyway!

hondaboy :D - take de lime and de coconut...
 

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Originally posted by Shayaan@Sep 3 2002, 12:01 AM
I think my dad might get a 4 cylinder stick 5 door Mazda6 with some goodies (though not all). It will be relatively inexpensive, and should give great gas mileage. Either that, or he's gonna get a Protege.

By the way, that's probably the way I'd go too - the Euro reports I've read say that the new four-cylinder is a great engine. They said the same about the Ford-built diesel, too, but we probably won't be getting that engine in the States anytime soon.

hondaboy :D - Mazda6 4?
 

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I used to have a 2nd car, 2001 yellow ZX3. Sold it. Fun tossable car. The Zetec motor is really a Mazda motor? :huh:
 

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I should clarify my previous statement.

From 1991-1996, the Ford Escort and Mercury Tracer were built upon the Mazda Protege's basic chassis and underpinnings. Standard engine was Ford's 1.9-liter OHC four, an old unit that dated back to 1981 (in 1.6-liter form) and was outdated about a year or two after it debuted.

However, Mazda engines were used in the sportier Escort GT coupe and LX-E sedan (as well as Mercury's related Tracer LTS sedan). The engine used was the Protege's 1.8-liter, 127hp DOHC four and most reviewers at the time rated the Mazda engine as the one to have if you were planning on buying an Escort, especially when combined with the great Mazda chassis (never mind the cheap Ford interior and bland exterior styling).

The Escort and Tracer were redesigned for 1997, now riding a more recent (1995-vintage) Protege chassis and carrying an enlarged 2.0-liter version of the Ford OHC four as the standard engine. Midway through the model year, the zippy little Escort ZX2 coupe arrived, this time skipping the Mazda engine for Ford's new Zetec 2.0-liter DOHC four making 130hp. (Remember, the Zetec had been well-proven in the Contour and Mystique since 1995.)

Meanwhile, in Europe, Ford was introducing the very attractive Focus with an all-Zetec engine lineup and would eventually send that car to the USA as a supplement to the increasingly bland Escort line. (The Tracer was dropped after 1999 anyway, Mercury never historically having done well with small cars.)

As of 2002, the basic Escort is gone, leaving only the bargain-basement ZX2 coupe (no longer called an Escort) as the entry-level car in the Ford line under the more desirable Focus. It still uses the Zetec 2.0-liter as standard.

Now, on to rumors. As I've heard it (based on a report in the UK's Car magazine), the next Focus is due sometime in 2004-05 and will switch back to using Mazda platforms and engines. Great for Ford, maybe less good for the upcoming Mazda3 (the Protege replacement) as the Focus will undoubtedly be cheaper. But we'll see.

And after all, we've turned well away from discussing the Mazda6 in this thread anyhow... :wacko:

hondaboy :D - back to the subject at hand
 

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Wow. :eek: Thanks D. (w00t)
 

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I think I may know more way more about this sort of stuff than any person really ought to ( :wacko: ), but it's nice to be able to spread the knowledge around now and then.

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A Mazda6 update from Automotive News!

I'll paste the story here, since you have to sign in to their site otherwise...

Spunky 6 shows Mazda's new vision

By Mark Rechtin
Automotive News / October 14, 2002


2003 MAZDA6

Wheelbase 105.3 in.
Length 186.8 in.
Width 70.1 in.
Height 56.7 in.
Curb weight 3,042 lbs.
Base engine 2.3-liter I-4
Power 160 hp @ 6,000 rpm
Torque 155 lbs.-ft. @ 4,000 rpm
Top engine 3.0-liter V-6
Power 220 hp @ 6,300 rpm
Torque 192 lbs.-ft. @ 5,000 rpm
LOS ANGELES - Mazda is preparing to launch what it calls "the best Mazda ever built" into a mid-sized sedan segment crowded with such formidable competitors as the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry.

The Mazda6 replaces the dour 626 and the high-tech Millenia, taking both the mainstream and flagship positions for Mazda sedans.

The sedan version will go on sale in December, and production starts next week. Five-door hatchback and wagon variants will arrive in mid-2003.

Although other Mazdas have been launched since the realignment of the automaker's product planning philosophy, the 6 is the first to deliver the template of "stylish, insightful and spirited," said Charlie Hughes, president of Mazda North American Operations.

Mazda engineers say they benchmarked the BMW 3 series for its handling and braking, even though that car is considerably more expensive and is rear-wheel drive. But Hughes said such a comparison was necessary for a car intended to reach the 25 percent of sedan buyers who want something more than a people hauler.

Equipment

The base inline-four engine is a new Mazda design, built in four locations globally. U.S. vehicles will get the engine built in Chihuahua, Mexico.

It features dual exhaust, sequential valve timing on the intake cam and a balance shaft to reduce secondary vibrations. The latter feature has been removed from some competitors as a cost-saving measure.

The four-cylinder will be offered with a choice of five-speed manual or four-speed automatic.

The V-6 is a variant of the Ford Duratec 3.0 liter with aluminum block and head, and variable valve timing. Made in the United States, it will offer a choice of a five-speed manual or five-speed automatic transmission.

The four-cylinder model will be called the Mazda6i, and the V-6 version will be tagged the Mazda6s. Executives deflected questions about why the car is called the Mazda6 when it seats five occupants and the bulk of consumers will buy the four-cylinder model.

Mazda's main message will involve the car's handling.

The front suspension is a double-wishbone design with a high upper mount to widen the distribution of cornering load and to increase lateral and camber rigidity, said Ruben Archilla, manager of what Mazda calls its "product excellence team."

The rear suspension uses a trailing arm and three lateral links. Although technically an 18-year-old design, it has been significantly upgraded. Steering is rack-and-pinion, with a quick 2½ turns from lock-to-lock.

Brakes are four-wheel discs with ABS.

Inside, the center console is narrow and finished in faux brushed metal. Controls and instruments glow orange at night.

Strong standard features

Although value is no longer the car's basic message, the Mazda6 will offer a strong list of standard features, including 16-inch wheels, power mirrors, intermittent wipers, AM/FM/CD stereo, keyless locks with ignition immobilizer, and a tilt-and-telescoping leather-wrapped steering wheel with audio and cruise-control buttons.

The Mazda6 will be one of two vehicles built at the AutoAlliance plant in Flat Rock, Mich., near Detroit. The other is presumed to be the next Ford Mustang.

The line is flexible enough to run sedan, wagon and hatchback versions at the same time, said Bill Cumbaa, AutoAlliance assistant general manager.

Mazda's part of the plant can build 120,000 vehicles on straight time, 150,000 with overtime.

$60 million launch

Although Mazda says it is targeting "enthusiasts" with the sedan, the main thrust of its marketing plan will be traditional, focusing on major sporting events and prime-time television.

Mazda will spend an estimated $60 million on the launch, or twice what it did for Tribute sport wagon.

Instead of a quick-but-massive hit of advertising, the launch will run through June.

The ad message will reach out to consumers dissatisfied with practical sedan offerings, said Kristen Simmons, Mazda vice president of marketing.

Simmons said the Mazda6 will be positioned as: "The affordable sports sedan for me is finally here."
Mazda seems to be heading for the big time now, huh?

Duncan :D - can't wait til December



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Originally posted by Shayaan@Sep 2 2002, 01:01 PM
No coupe for the Mazda 6.

There's an inline 4 cylinder, pushing out 150 horses, and a 6 cylinder pushing out 219 horses. The 4 is a new engine developed by Mazda, but the 6 is a Ford engine that has not been reviewed very well.

The three forms of car are a wagon (next year), a 5 door hatchback (next year), and a regular sedan (this year). The sedan will also have a sport option, that adds bigger rims and tires :)
actually the 4cylinder is cranking out 160HP... just wanted to correc that... i shud be a moderator =)
 

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Originally posted by Eternal TL2k3+Nov 14 2002, 12:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Eternal TL2k3 @ Nov 14 2002, 12:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Shayaan@Sep 2 2002, 01:01 PM
No coupe for the Mazda 6.

There's an inline 4 cylinder, pushing out 150 horses, and a 6 cylinder pushing out 219 horses. The 4 is a new engine developed by Mazda, but the 6 is a Ford engine that has not been reviewed very well.

The three forms of car are a wagon (next year), a 5 door hatchback (next year), and a regular sedan (this year). The sedan will also have a sport option, that adds bigger rims and tires :)
actually the 4cylinder is cranking out 160HP... just wanted to correc that... i shud be a moderator =)[/b][/quote]
Thanks for the correction but well... no :)

When the 6 comes out, we'll worry about moderating it.
 

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I take offense to that "best Mazda ever built" comment. :pir8:

Is there any more information out there on the proposed 5-door and wagon versions of the Mazda 6? I was looking at the Protege 5 for a daily-driver/work car, but would much rather have it on a 6 chassis.
 
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